Front and Center--Again
These comments were buried in the September Archives where most readers don't go. But because they're politically important to the upcoming local election I wanted to post them on the front page of the blog where they're visible.
The first comment is from Paul Stermer. The thread follows.
(Paul Stermer)Anonymous said...
Maybe if someone actually had a question on where I stand on the issues instead of alot of BS.Does anyone have a question where I stand? I would answer it, but its been over three weeks and I have not recieved any calls, as far as I can tell no one has asked any political questions here, they just talk about what terrible person I am. And that is why I don't come here very often.I thought this was a contest for town Supervisor and who is most qualified, but some want to make it personal.Maybe if someone has a question on the issues they could ask it here and we (Sally and I) would try to answer it.Again if anyone has any political questions call me, leave a message and I WILL call you back. 523-8178 Paul StermerWhen you call you don't even have to leave your name just your number.
5:36 PM
Anonymous said...
Ok We all ready know how sally feels about these issues but how do you feel about Taxes-junk properties-the amount of people working on the town crew-road conditions- rt15 replacement-harmony at the town hall-all sorts of things that effect the tax payers of lindley? I am sure there are a lot more people with questions for you but as you can see calling someone on the phone has become a thing of the past. How are you going to see Lindley Into the future we need a modern thinking person to lead us how will you do this?
6:26 AM
Anonymous said...
Well everyone wants "low taxs", I want to keep taxs as low as possible but the more that people want from the Town the more the taxs will go up.Junk is a hard subject, there is junk that we all agree is junk and should be cleaned up and then there is the stuff that people "collect" and is not offensive to them but to others it is and that is something that has to be worked on, but I also think that you should have some "Rights" if you own property. Also Dave and Susie are working very hard together and making progress.The people working on the Town crew is the decision of the Road Supervisor, if he needs another person he needs to put it in his budget, and he would know better than I would if he needs four or more. The roads in Town need more gravel but it costs money (taxs) and Dick is trying to do the best he can and doing a great job.RT 15 , I can't wait for it to get done, My family and I live and work here every day, I have been to most meeting ,written letters to our leaders. This section of road is a very dangerous and the sooner its done the better.About harmony at the Town Hall why not ask the people at the Town Hall if they have any problems with me, I am fair with all.If you ask a question and I don't answer it right away its because I don't get on-line everyday. Paul Stermer
9:49 AM
Anonymous said...
Yeah for Paul Stermer. Just because he doesn't toot his own horn and make himself out to be all knowing doesn't mean he doesn't have ideas and ways to work on them. What this town doesn't need is a know it all. Paul knows how to work within a budget as all farmers must. He is quiet and not outspoken but that doesn't mean he can't think on his feet and do the right thing. If we want harmony at the town hall then we best elect Paul or there will much dissent at the hall. SOme folks think that their idea is the best and that is their opinion but when they try to foist it on others as gospel then it is entering a danger zone. Good Luck Paul.
11:32 AM
Sallyann said...
Ouch!
11:42 AM
The first comment is from Paul Stermer. The thread follows.
(Paul Stermer)Anonymous said...
Maybe if someone actually had a question on where I stand on the issues instead of alot of BS.Does anyone have a question where I stand? I would answer it, but its been over three weeks and I have not recieved any calls, as far as I can tell no one has asked any political questions here, they just talk about what terrible person I am. And that is why I don't come here very often.I thought this was a contest for town Supervisor and who is most qualified, but some want to make it personal.Maybe if someone has a question on the issues they could ask it here and we (Sally and I) would try to answer it.Again if anyone has any political questions call me, leave a message and I WILL call you back. 523-8178 Paul StermerWhen you call you don't even have to leave your name just your number.
5:36 PM
Anonymous said...
Ok We all ready know how sally feels about these issues but how do you feel about Taxes-junk properties-the amount of people working on the town crew-road conditions- rt15 replacement-harmony at the town hall-all sorts of things that effect the tax payers of lindley? I am sure there are a lot more people with questions for you but as you can see calling someone on the phone has become a thing of the past. How are you going to see Lindley Into the future we need a modern thinking person to lead us how will you do this?
6:26 AM
Anonymous said...
Well everyone wants "low taxs", I want to keep taxs as low as possible but the more that people want from the Town the more the taxs will go up.Junk is a hard subject, there is junk that we all agree is junk and should be cleaned up and then there is the stuff that people "collect" and is not offensive to them but to others it is and that is something that has to be worked on, but I also think that you should have some "Rights" if you own property. Also Dave and Susie are working very hard together and making progress.The people working on the Town crew is the decision of the Road Supervisor, if he needs another person he needs to put it in his budget, and he would know better than I would if he needs four or more. The roads in Town need more gravel but it costs money (taxs) and Dick is trying to do the best he can and doing a great job.RT 15 , I can't wait for it to get done, My family and I live and work here every day, I have been to most meeting ,written letters to our leaders. This section of road is a very dangerous and the sooner its done the better.About harmony at the Town Hall why not ask the people at the Town Hall if they have any problems with me, I am fair with all.If you ask a question and I don't answer it right away its because I don't get on-line everyday. Paul Stermer
9:49 AM
Anonymous said...
Yeah for Paul Stermer. Just because he doesn't toot his own horn and make himself out to be all knowing doesn't mean he doesn't have ideas and ways to work on them. What this town doesn't need is a know it all. Paul knows how to work within a budget as all farmers must. He is quiet and not outspoken but that doesn't mean he can't think on his feet and do the right thing. If we want harmony at the town hall then we best elect Paul or there will much dissent at the hall. SOme folks think that their idea is the best and that is their opinion but when they try to foist it on others as gospel then it is entering a danger zone. Good Luck Paul.
11:32 AM
Sallyann said...
Ouch!
11:42 AM
posted by sallyann | 7:25 PM
76 Comments:
New issue. How do the Lindley residents feel about Wind Power for energy uses? We were in Watertown area last week where 195 windmills are being built-more in planning stages. Prattsburg,Hornby are discussing the issue. Don't believe I saw it addressed in new zoning laws of Planning Board ,but it IS something to consider for the future?
Sally- I have to say I like alot of what Paul is saying .I too think one mans junk is anothers treasure and strongly beleive in a property owners rights.But I wonder where you both stand on getting the towns share of the many grants out there for equipment, road improvements etc.I understand getting these grants are alot of paperwork but dont raise town taxes to get improvements for the town.
yes, grants are alot of paper work , but in the long run, they will help the Town.Mostly help keeping tax money down. I also feel
strongly, about property owners rights. I hope the new supervisor is willing to look into getting grants for our Town.I hope the Town will grow.(not stay the same)
Found this quote on another blog, liberalstance.blogspot.com: "_ But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people --their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties--someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal" then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal",--John F. Kennedy. I found this to be an interesting quote and far different than what I have been reading on this blog.
Curious to know what you mean by grow. Would you rather have Lindley like the Town of Erwin? Personnally-I prefer Lindley as it is-- a bedroom community of Corning/Elmira with green space. If you are not happy here, you can always move to a community that is "growing"
PS What do you contribute to our little community?
In response to Kitty's concern about windmills. We did look into this issue but aparently, Lindley does not have the right hills etc. for windmills. I just wanted to assure you that we did indeed look into the issue what with all the controversy in Prattsburg, and it was before Hornby had the issue.
Regarding: "then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal",--John F. Kennedy. I found this to be an interesting quote and far different than what I have been reading on this blog."
What kinds of quotes would you expect to read in a blog titled "RedStaterWisdoms"?
An after thought for the JFK comment.
John Kennedy wouldn't recognize the Liberal Party of today.
Nethertheless-good idea to" keep your eyes on the Fries " as Mac Donalds used to say. Apparently,from the talk we heard wind power is the thing of the future and all kinds of promoters are out there. . These windmills are monsters-400Ft.high,propellers are as big as a tractor trailer.They make the ugly cell phone towers look like midgets.
Imagine 195 of these things lining the landscape. Looked like an ET scene.
The thought of wind power is very romantic but I'm pulling for hydrogen fuel cell technology to serve our energy needs. Enjoyed your comment, Kitty.
Marc: Going after grants is definitly on my list of "things to do" if I'm elected Supervisor. Small towns all over NYS have acquired much needed equipment and assistence with services that they otherwise would not have been able to afford without grant programs. And you're right about lots of paper work and time to go after them. But, I will have lots of time to give to the position of Supervisor.
I agree on your comment about Kennedy not recognizing the Liberals of today! A sad thing.
What are Mr. Stermers plans to lead the people of lindley into the future ? Will he want to leave things as they are or will he have a plan to move lindley further into the future? Will he make the town departments or departments with a town contract more accountable to the town board or will he say they have a budget and a signed contract and we can not do anything with them as has been the statements of the past?Will he listen ( even if it is his enemies talking ) to their concerns or statements? Will he listen to all sides before small problems become big problems?Will he listen to all sides and not think he knows it all?
Where do the Supervisor candidates stand on proper conduct of a meeting such as an agenda for the meeting and Pledging Alligence to the American Flag?
I am tired of all the Town Supers avoiding the road problems we have. I want a candidate that lives on a dirt road and then maybe we will get some improvements. The only Town Super that even tried was Rumsey. Mr. Stermer referred to gravel as taxes - bah. I haven't seen one chunk of gravel in over 25 years or more - all I've seen is new equipment & the old scrape & and flatten. There is no use going to the town garage - same old song there. I'm interested in hearing how each candidate is going to improve the dirt roads in Lindley. Do we have any takers?
Regarding: Where do the Supervisor candidates stand on proper conduct of a meeting such as an agenda for the meeting and Pledging Alligence to the American Flag?
As I've stated before on this blog, I will create "agendas" to be posted on this blog and at the Town Hall before Town Board Meetings to give each Councilman and the public a "heads up" on what will be discussed.
I hadn't really thought about opening a Board Meeting with the Pledge of Alligence, but I'm okay with doing that. I would, however, encourage pledgers to say "Under God" as loud as they could!
anonymous said.."
Just because he doesn't toot his own horn and make himself out to be all knowing doesn't mean he doesn't have ideas and ways to work on them. What this town doesn't need is a know it all. Paul knows how to work within a budget as all farmers must. He is quiet and not outspoken but that doesn't mean he can't think on his feet and do the right thing. If we want harmony at the town hall then we best elect Paul or there will much dissent at the hall"
I haven't heard the other candidate "toot" her horn or make herself out to be "all knowing". Mr. Stermer isn't willing (or able) to state his position at the Board meetings, how is he possibly going to be able to oversee the town business and stand his ground when necessary?
Do you consider discussing the issues and stating a real opinion to be "tooting" one's horn? If Mr. Stermer has ideas, he needs to discuss the meat and potatoes of his ideas, not try to sit on the fence and avoid taking a stand on anything.
We need someone who is forward thinking in ways that help the town (grants,etc.) but who also understands the importance of maintaining the quality of life we all live here for. I would welcome Mr. Stermer's input into the discussions but so far he hasn't said much of anything.
As far as keeping harmony at the Town Hall, what makes you think that being friendly with the townfolks has anything to do with keeping harmony in a workplace? The Supervisor's job is not about keeping harmony, it is about getting a group of different thinking people to work together to find the best way to meet the goals of the town.
The forum is open- if he really wants people to know his position on the issues, he has a golden opportunity to do so right here. We are all waiting Mr. Stermer...
Regarding: “I am tired of all the Town Supers avoiding the road problems we have…..Do we have any takers?”
I’ll bite…Working with Dick Johnson and not against him is the cornerstone of my campaign. Contrary to a few opinions, Dick and his crew are very knowledgeable about how to build and maintain a road. What’s lacking in the Highway Department is the ability to have constructive or productive dialogue with the Town’s leadership to create an efficient cost effective Highway Plan that would address the very complaint you have. Leadership has to roll up its sleeves and work “with” Dick to prepare a long range plan for road improvement which I am prepared to do and I’m going to start (if elected) by introducing technology to the Highway Department. The current administration never understood the value of computer technology and its effect on productivity and planning. Consequently, there was no effort to assist the Highway Department into the 21st Century. And by assisting, I mean to help set up the actual soft ware and provide training for the Highway Department so they can operate the program with proficiency. Once the program is set up, Dick can have at his finger tips all the information he needs to run the Highway Department efficiently.
Although technology will greatly improve accessing information the Highway Department still needs cooperation from the Board and its leadership to iron out the various road problems/issues confronting the Town. It is in the Town’s best interest for leadership to establish a working relationship with the Highway Department because building and maintaining roads is the only service the Town provides for taxpayers. The Supervisor, the Board and the Highway Department must work together to assure every taxpayer living on a Town road that they are doing their level best to meet their needs as cost effective and efficiently as possible.
Also, you made a comment that you “wanted a candidate who lives on a dirt road and them maybe we will get some improvements.” I live on Route 15 and I would swap your dirt road for Route 15 in a heartbeat. Not to diminish the problems you perceive you have because you live on a dirt road, but they don’t even come close to what it’s been like for those of us living on Route 15. I’d gladly put up with a pothole ten feet wide and five feet deep and dust so thick it took and industrial vacuum cleaner to clean it up rather than endure one more death on Route 15 or fear for my life every time I turn left into my driveway. If I didn’t live on Route 15, I’d NEVER drive it. I’d take any dirt road available to get home safely.
Having said that, I’ve been working a long time to get Route 15 completed and I’ll work just as hard and as tenacious to help Dick Johnson improve the dirt roads in Lindley.
I think what people mean by harmony at the town hall is not being buddy buddy with other people but a town board and supervisor working for the good of the tax payers.They need to leave their personal feelings at home and work together for us. Also i think training for the town crew is good and a computer could be set up with a web site to report bad potholes and road conditions so that the road crew could be sent out with what they need to fix the problem in one trip not two trips to see what the problem is then coming back to get equiptment to fix the problem thus saving money on trips up and down the road. there are a lot of ways they could use a computer to do their job better.Good idea Sally!
I think the tech updates for the highway dept will be a great help.In addition grants for road improvements as well as equipment upgrades will result in improvements to the roads without raising the taxes.I also would like to remind the people who think no improvements are being made to roads to read the highway supervisors report.We have been putting down gravel in the worst problem areas.I agree much more needed but if the town gets some grant money it should help us get more material for the roads in the future. :)Optomistic for the future!
I love it when people say they would just as soon live on a dirt road as to Rt. 15. HMmmm---- didn't they have a choice when they purchased their dwelling?
As to improving the town roads-when do the rest of us get a portion of ours paved . With the exception of a couple- most of the town roads have at least a mile or two of black top. One only goes to 1 family's home. Another was paved because a squeeky wheel pestered until his was done. Is this fair to the people who live on the unpaved town roads?
One of the commenters mentioned enemies of Mr. Stermer. Perhaps a better words would have been those with opposing views or do not see eye to eye. Seems too bad that when you don't agree with a person's policies,politics and beliefs that he has to be considered an enemy.
As far as working with my "enemies" I don't have any. If elected I will listen to all opinions.
As far as grants go there great if you read the fine print and understand what is expected if you get the money.
As for working with the Road Supervisor and the "road crew" I would like to meet with them at least once a month to find out what the Town Board can do to help them, also I would drive the roads with Dick and talk about problems.
The town of Lindley is rural and thats what the people of Lindley want so thats the way it should stay, any change in the town is your decision ( the people of the town)and you need to let your leaders know how you feel.
As for "knowing it all" I don't, I learn something new every day and if I make a mistake I will admit it, I'am just like the rest of you.
Someone said I haven't discussed anything, well I'am NOT a Politician, never will be, if you ask a straight question you'll get a straight answer.
Paul Stermer
I have to laugh when I read the comments on the dirt roads! Like the one who said "you knew it was Rt.15 when you moved there" Exactly! You knew it was a dirt road when you moved on it and I have lived on a dirt road many years and it is better now than it was when I moved here. I remember when you could not even drive on the road, had to drive thru the field to get out. Those were the days....As far as paving roads go, well they get huge pot holes too and they cost quite a bit more to repair than dirt; I would imagine. I live here because normal people do not drive as fast on a pothole filled, dirt road as they do on a paved road. Some people, I admit don't slow down but eventually they will. I still strongly believe if you don't like living on a dirt road then MOVE! Lots of paved roads in Corning, Erwin even Lindley. I will take my dusty, dirt road over paved any day. And as always..... there are the tax increases if paving becomes a big thing here in Lindley.
Don't suppose it will change anyone's mind, but we moved to Route 15 for our business. The best place to locate a business is where you can get the most "exposure". 15000 cars go by Route 15 everyday. That's a heck of lot more exposure than we could get on one of Lindley's backroads. So you're right...we had a choice. We made it and now we live with both the good and the bad consequences of that choice.
Anonymous said "I have to laugh when I read the comments on the dirt roads! Like the one who said "you knew it was Rt.15 when you moved there" Exactly! You knew it was a dirt road when you moved on it and I have lived on a dirt road many years and it is better now than it was when I moved here."
I had to drive 35 miles each way to work at the airport. I dreaded it, but wouldn't dream of moving away from Lindley. We all make choices for our own reasons and we all should accept the downside (there usually is one!) of those choices.
We have a lot of miles of town roads and a fixed amount of money to spend on them and I know Dick and his crew are doing everything they can to get to as much as they can.
I agree with Sal that having a good working relationship with the Highway Department, will make a world of difference, and automating the department will save time and money and make planning easier and more effective.
Can't imagine how anyone can survive without a computer these days!!
My my i wonder how much tax payer money will be spent at $3.00 dollars a gallon for mr. stermer and mr. johnson to ride around and look at our dirt roads?
I will drive MY truck and Pay for the gas.
Just one observation, first you ask how I will work with the people in town then complain when I tell how I would like to do it.(but this is Mrs. Orr web-sight)
Paul Stermer
Regarding: (but this is Mrs. Orr web-sight)
Let's see....I could take the high road or I could take the low road in response to that remark....(I'm thinking)....
Got it...I'm going with the "high road". I'll sleep better at night.
Well Mr. Stermer you should realize that the minute you took the democratic endorsement you made yourself a outsider to the ruling political party in lindley. no matter what the outcome of the political race you will always be complained about and not respected for your opinion from that moment on. Not a good way for a town supervisor to have their time in office.I also do not believe that this is sallys web site she may have started it but all people in town can voice their opinion here that makes this a town web sight not one persons!
Parties are parties in name only in a small town like this -Regardless of my party affiliation, I will vote for the person who most clearly represents my philosophy and ideals.
Mr. Stermer is not the first candidate to be endorsed by the "other party". By being endorsed by the Democratic party, Paul Stermer has given everyone in town a choice in electing the Supervisor in November -rather than letting the Republicans in their Primary vote make the decision for us.
Perhaps,Mr. Stermer should have run on the Independent,Conservative, Green Party-No-Nothing ,etc - ticket,but as he says ,he is not a politician in the true sense of the word .Like Sally Orr, he is a native of Lindley who is interested in serving his hometown. The fact is that he is familiar with the functions of the Town Government-having been exposed to it by his parents all his life . We should all act as adults and be open minded enough to listen to what he has to say.
With that, I hope Mr. Stermer will get out shake hands and express more of his thoughts about conducting town affairs on this open forum.
For example, I would like to know where he stands on the issue of reporting infractions of the zoning laws. Should the Code Enforcement Officer get out about town more to do his job or should he rely on the neighbors to file reports on their neighbors? What kind of qualifications does he feel this person should have??
Do we need a high priced bookkeeper who does not even live in town.?
Where does he stand on going after "Grant monies"?
What ideas does he have on working with youth groups to provide more activities in town for them?
How does he feel about paving more of the Town's dirt roads?
From what he says ,he agrees with the majority of the people who reside here that Lindley should remain a rural community.
What are his thoughts on any changes that he feels should be made.
There are other issues that I think people would like to have addressed.
So let's hear a few words from Mr. Stermer and Ms. Orr on these and other issues facing the town. And/or other thoughts that they have.
I agree with the last blogger that mr. stermer made a mistake in taking the democratic endorsement. After reading all the comments here and talking to people around town about him i wonder why he even wants to be the town supervisor? I think Mr. stermer is one of the good ole boys and will not have the education or the political know how to lead us into the future.With him in charge things will stay the same as he is not a modern kind of person.I would like to hear the answers to your questions as i also do not vote on strict party line but i vote for who i want to.What opinion does each person running have on cutting out town waste and cutting taxes or putting a freeze on all town budgets and contracts with other departments?
What hasn't been said here in so many words is that with so few Democrats in town -maybe they had no one willing to run against Sally Orr.
All good questions and i hope each candidate will take time to think each one over before they answer. One more question what do they feel about the town taking over control of the fire dept.? we never see a report or do they send a rep. to board meetings. all we see is how much our fire tax is each year.Do they have the attitude like the last supervisor that we signed their contract like the town highway dept. we wash our hands off of any thing to do with what they do with the money?
Why do we pay a outside bookkeeper is that not the town clerks job?
Excellent questions. Now we're "cooking"! This is what an election "should" be about. The issues and how each candidate will approach them.
I must attend a wedding reception this afternoon, but when I return and if I'm not too liquored up (just kidding) I'll respond to a few of the questions.
How do the candidates feel about attending meetings, seminars,etc that would help keep them current on issues relating to town matters?
How would they handle the chronic complainers who attend town board meetings?
Sally has said she would have lots of time to be Supervisor-how about Mr. Stermer?
ALSO-HOW ABOUT THE PEOPLE RUNNING FOR COUNCILMAN POSITION VOICING THEIR OPINIONS ON THESE QUESTIONS? THEY ARE THE ONES WHO VOTE ON ISSUES BEFORE THE TOWN BOARD. SUPERVISOR ONLY ACTS IN A TIE-I BELIEVE AND ACTS AS A MODERATOR. IS THAT RIGHT?????
Grants may have good points, but they can also come with all kinds of restrictions and clauses that have to be met before money is received. Some even demand matching funds.
Forewarned said...
"Grants may have good points, but they can also come with all kinds of restrictions and clauses that have to be met before money is received. Some even demand matching funds."
It is true that grants come with certain restrictions and reporting requirements - which is a good thing. I, for one, would not want grant money (funded by our state and federal tax dollars) handed out without checks and balances being in place and responsibility placed on the recipients to show that the funds are being properly utilized.
Grants can be challenging but, if a grant is determined to be a good fit for a town need, then we would be foolish not to go after it.
Some grants do require varying percentages of matching funds for varying reasons, but that is not a bad thing either. It creates incentive (some of our own money is in the mix) to make sure the folks getting the grant are actively committed to seeing the project through to successful completion. (Its kind of like making your children pay for part of their education to insure they have a vested interest in getting good grades!)
The reality is that if a grant is available for road repairs with a 10% match requirement, and we get $100,000 for improvements by matching that with $10,000, it is money well spent.
Randy Kuhl has been a great resource for our district in helping to secure grants for different projects. I have no doubt that his office would be a great resource if we have a Board and Supervisor with the drive to actively seek out and apply for grants.
We have to keep our eyes and minds open and keep track of the things changing around us. Too often the State mandates changes that can affect small towns and it always hits us in our pocketbook. We need a governing body who will stay on top of things and can function proactively and will take advantage of the power of technology to save tax dollars and keep the public well informed.
Okay...I'm back. Stayed out of the liquor, but got into some very spicy hot chili. Don't have to turn the thermostat up tonight.
Now, to answer some of your questions.
On the issue of grants:
My response is: What Kathy said!
Anonymous said...
"Do we need a high priced bookkeeper who does not even live in town.? "
Ah yes- the bookkeeper issue! I was one of 3 town applicants for the bookkeepers position when Dale Davis was Town Supervisor and hired the current bookkeeper. Not one of the 3 local applicants was interviewed or considered for that position and I made sure I raised the issue at the next Board meeting. When I questioned him about why he did this, he told me he chose the most qualified candidate. I told him that he could not possibly have known who the most qualified person was because he never gave the rest of us a chance to discuss our qualifications and abilities with him. (I have run the accounting and human resource departments for the past 11 years where I work and have been a Vice President, overseeing both areas, for the past 5 years, so I obviously had some qualifications. I am not sure what the current bookkeeper's qualifications were, but they must have been pretty impressive!)
He potentially set the town up for a discriminatory hiring practices suit, had any of us been inclined to fight and demand the he prove it. What the outcome would have been, I do not know. I do know, however, that it would have cost the town money for legal services and would have been negative press for the town- that's why I let it drop.
The new Supervisor will have a choice of keeping the current bookkeeper, hiring a new one or taking on the duties themselves, per NYS Town Laws. NYS has state auditors come in and audit our town books regularly, to make sure that the funds have been spent as they were approved to be spent, per the budget and the town board minutes.
It is really up the the Supervisor to decide if they are comfortable with the duties or not. If they are not, then they do have a responsibility to use sound hiring practices in filling town positions.
The point of my lengthy story - in this day and age, we cannot afford to take a good ole boy approach to town business. It is important that whoever serves in public office, makes decisions and choices that are right- for the town and the parties involved, and personal feelings or interests do not enter into those decisions. Otherwise they could be opening up a major can of "whoop-a## (as our illustrious president would say!)that could negatively affect us all.
"Anonymous said...
Why do we pay a outside bookkeeper is that not the town clerks job? "
The bookkeeping duties are not part of the Town Clerk's duties. They are actually the Supervisor's responsiblity.
Who is running for office Kathy or Sally?
I thought George Winner was our State Rep now. In reality-wouldn't Randy Kuhl as our Federal Congressman have more important issues than the Town of Lindley's financial problems with it's small population.
"Anonymous said...
Who is running for office Kathy or Sally? "
Geez, come on now! I can guarantee you that I am NOT running for office!
If Paul wants to agree with me on grants too -thats ok ! I wasn't speaking for either of the candidates- The writer I was responding to had pointed out only negatives about the grant process. I was trying to present a bigger picture of the whys and hows.
I was trying to share information in order to help people understand why grants can be difficult to get-and to add my two cents that that should not stop us from trying!!
Sal has worked with me on a couple of grants, so I know she knows a bit about them. The issue that needs to be addressed isn't about the hows and whys of the grant process, it is whether or not the candidates would actively pursue them - let's stay on track here folks!
Also, in response to
"Anonymous said...
I thought George Winner was our State Rep now. In reality-wouldn't Randy Kuhl as our Federal Congressman have more important issues than the Town of Lindley's financial problems with it's small population."
Grants are available from both state and federal sources (many of the state funds come from federal programs). Randy Kuhl would be of great help in either case and Mr. Winner would be also. I don't think that Congressman Kuhl considers himself above assisting his constituents, regardless of how small a town they live in!
Also- it would be a lot easier to keep track of what we are responding to if everyone didn't post as anonymous. If you don't want to use your real name then make up a identifying name (you know like the CB handles!)- click on the other button under "choose your identity" and type in the name you want to use.
Personally I believe in speaking my mind and feel that I am more thoughtful and less inclined to say something petty or foolish, when I identify myself. Can't say I haven't made any enemies in the process, but that's the price you pay when you take a position.
Enough said!
hear hear kathyb it is good that you give a educated spin on subjects here do not stop ! for to long the people have been kept in the dark about town buisness and now people are being enlightened and some people do not like it.I know you are only trying to help as i do but i can not reveal who i am because i have all ready been shunned and driven away from doing what i feel i should do for the town where i live so i must remain unknown for i do not want to go thru what i have gone thru again !
I get the impression that if Ms. Orr wins then Kathy B. will be appointed as the bookeeper or at least be right there "advising" on the duties. I would like to know the qualifications either of them has on dealing with workers comp, insurance companies, complyling with all the state refulations involved with the job. It is one thing to work in the private sector and another to work for the government on any level.
I meant "regulations" slip of the old finger, sorry
cj good question but what qualifacations does mr stermer have on these matters ?
cj would it be a bad thing if sally or paul appointed kathyb as bookkeeper if she wants it? sounds like she knows what she is talking about and is a lindley person and may do a great job!
Well she sure does like to blow her own horn.Is that a plus or minus?
cj: Why do you think it's one thing to work in the private sector and another to work for the government on any level? Can you explain to me why you perceive there's a difference?
I have had the good fortune of working in the private sector for the last 25 years which makes me infinitely qualified to administer town business. Because that's what it is...a business. Like any business, the town has bills, employees, payroll and a budget and it also provides a service. And in my opinion, business owners have a much better understanding of how "government" effects the economy and the people it serves. We are acutely aware of the effect of government regulations, because they often "put us out of business".Succesful business people have broad shoulders and sharp wits to overcome the many, and I mean many challenges of operating a business in a state that is not business friendly. Droves of small businesses and corporations have fled New York State to get away from harsh regulations, punishing taxes and frivolous lawsuits. Local government must operate in this same climate. As a voter, your concern should not be whether or not I know how to calculate workman's compensation on a pay stub, but rather if I know the effect of workman's compensation on the tax rate. As in business, it's all about the bottom line and knowing what battles need to be fought to protect the town from having to impose higher taxes in a state that has been taxed to death!
"cj said...
I get the impression that if Ms. Orr wins then Kathy B. will be appointed as the bookeeper or at least be right there "advising" on the duties.I would like to know the qualifications either of them has on dealing with workers comp, insurance companies, complyling with all the state refulations involved with the job."
Well, first off- I am not trying to get appointed to the bookkeeper's position-my life is far too busy, so let's clear that up once and for all. As for my qualifications, I don't really need to respond to your question but, to make sure this doesn't get twisted into something it is not, I will share them with you. I am uncomfortable about it, because it is like beating your own drum, but for the sake of getting everyone back on the real track, here goes.
I have worked in the aviation field with a private company (that just went public actually)as the VP, Administration. Due to health issues and surgery this summer, I am working from home on a reduced schedule. We operate an on-demand charter service, a FAA certified aircraft repair station and a landing gear shop, as well as manage private and corporate owned aircraft. I have worked there for 11 years and started as the accounting manager.
For the record, our filing requirements with the FAA and USDOT dwarf anything required at a town level. We are so highly regulated, it is mind boggling and 9/11 did not help that at all.
I was responsible for oversight of the acounting process(financial reporting, filing multiple state and federal tax returns, 401K and Flexible Savings program filings,etc.) I was responsible for researching and negotiating all benefits programs (worker's comp, health isurance, etc.)and assisted our employees if issues came up with any of the benefits programs. I handled all state and federal tax issues for the company - audits, etc. I also handle all litigation issues for the company (I have been to federal court, state court, town court, Worker's Comp hearings, etc.)
In addition I oversaw all the Human Resource functions - we have aircaft and crewmembers all over the country, so we have to keep track of labor laws and filing requirements in multiple states. I had responsibility for oversight of the FAA Drug and Alcohol program, hiring, terminations, employment offers, etc.
Whew- now I know why I am so tired all the time! I think I need a raise!!
Prior to moving here, I worked in Washington, DC for 3 years as an auditor with the IBEW pension fund.
I worked for the Dean of College Services as a work-study while I was in college and also worked as a Supplemental Instructor and tutor (group and individual tutoring) for all accounting and economics classes as well.
I have known Sal since we worked together on the Bicentennial Committee and she struck me then as a person who has a great deal of commitment to this town. She has a solid knowledge base, keeps track of what's happening in the world and like a good businessperson, knows how to get things done. We don't always agree, but Sal is a very effective listener and she tells it like she sees it- which is a rare quality. If I cheer for her success in her run for Supervisor, it is because I feel she has all the key qualities to be great in the job. I don't know Mr. Stermer, so I can't really sort out how he would do in that position.
For the most part, speculating about the bookkeeper's job is kind of like putting the cart before the horse - the Supervisor will be elected in November and they will need to make whatever decision they feel they need to, whomever ends up getting the position.
In the meantime, let's try to keep the discussions to the real issues and the facts and try to leave speculations out of the mix.
In defense of Kathy B.
To begin with, Kathy is quite possibly the smartest person I've ever known in my life. She knows what she's talking about, plain and simple. She is more than willing to assist me on any issue I feel I need assistance. She has phenonmenal researching capabilities and knows how to cut through the BS. Her business experience alone can benefit this town in ways that we can't imagine yet. I can safely say if I'm elected Supervisor, I will consider Kathy B. my Chief of Staff and voters should view this as a good thing. For eight years our present Supervisor called Kent Woloson, Town Attorney, for advice on a thousand issues. I didn't hear anyone questioning his reasoning for calling Kent. In fact, it was considered the proper action to take in many cases. I am surrounded by intelligent, qualified people and I intend to use them whenever I see fit to gain as much knowledge as possible before I make a decision. If I wasn't willing to get the best most informed advice then you certainly do not want me as Town Supervisor. One person can't be all knowing (even though I've been called a "know-it-all). Wise men and woman in leadership positions surround themselves with experts in all fields for the continued success of their business or government.
I will be bringing to the Supervisor's job a hefty amount of knowledge on many subjects. But whenever I'm unsure about the "facts" on an issue, I will gather those who have expertise on the matter for information and guidance. Voters need a Supervisor who is willing and quite motivated to bring all sides to the table for better government.
Then let's get back to Grants. People "assume" that it is free money. It generally is not unless you have a friend like Bill Gates. Unless I am mistaken most state and federal grants are derived from some sort of tax funds and where does that money generate from-yours and my pocket in the beginning. The old hue and cry is if we don't get it somebody else will and so in the end we all pay more taxes. Then think about the benefits.
I hear you, Bill
Forewarned said...
Then let's get back to Grants. People "assume" that it is free money. It generally is not unless you have a friend like Bill Gates. Unless I am mistaken most state and federal grants are derived from some sort of tax funds and where does that money generate from-yours and my pocket in the beginning. The old hue and cry is if we don't get it somebody else will and so in the end we all pay more taxes. Then think about the benefits. "
State and Federal grant monies come out of tax dollars that have already been allocated. The federal funds come from taxpayers in all 50 states. The benefit of using grant funds for improvements is that the right improvements can actually save money and tax dollars for the taxpayers.
Like replacing that old furnace or piece of equipment for a new high efficiency one will save money going forward on utility costs. The grants are all established with long-term benefits in mind.
Grants for road improvements are geared towards reducing liability and maintenance costs, among other things, training grants are geared towards developing a more skilled, efficient and effective workforce which helps current workers gain experience so they can get higher paying jobs and helps other gain skilss so they can be less reliant on public aid (which we all pay for with our tax dollars). Then more people are contributing to the tax base, so (if we can get the Liberals spending habits under control) will allow all of us to have more money in our pockets at the end of the year.
There are a lot of different grants but they are all set up with the purpose of improving the quality of life in the US, and assisting municipalities to make improvements that will have long-lasting positive effects on the cost of local government.
It is a lot easier to make good decisions when you try to get all of the facts. It also makes for a happier life if you try to see the glass half full rather than half empty. If you only look at the downside of things, life can be pretty depressing!
Also- Thanks Sal for the glowing review! I will always be available to help out when asked, regardless of who is asking - but you know know that already!
Grants I admit to not knowing a lot about the ways and the rules of using grants but i have worked on several construction projects in other towns and villages. i al ways hear that these projects were needed but the towns and villages could not afford to do these with out the grants.I see grants as a needed thing to some and way to generate work for others helping the local economy.
Sounds like a true politician,doesn't she?
You can use all the fancy language,rhetoric,rationalization that you wish,but the bottom line is it comes out of a taxpayer's pocket no matter how you slice it.
Not unless you apply for grants from private sector "Foundations". That's not tax dollars, just private money being given away by benevolent corporations and individuals.
Then you are back to Bill Gate's kind of money
And Bill doesn't miss a penny of it.
Anonymous said...
Sounds like a true politician,doesn't she?
Not sure which she you are talking about - and as your comment was meant as a slam, it really doesn't matter to reasonable folk.
Most people are here to take part in real discussions, contribute their thoughts and maybe learn something as well.
Some just like to sling negative crap around and try to make others look bad. Its a shame, but a reality- So goes life-
I dont know about every one else but I have gotten a heads up on Grants from Kathy b.I only knew what other townships employees had told me about how they acquired new equipment ,help with road repairs ,building cost etc.I for one am glad she is willing to help whoever ends up with supervisors position.From what I have read sounds like she knows the grant process.And if that helps with improvements for the town without raiseing our taxes I say that is a good thing!
Thanks Marc- the was my intent- to help people understand the process.
Too many times we don't have enough information about things that affect us and we are left trying to make decisions without enough real facts to make the best choice.
We finally have an opportunity to ask real questions about issues that affect us and share what facts we do have, so that we can all make better choices.
I think blogs are a wonderful way to communicate ideas and learn, and if everyone uses them in the spirit they are intended, we all can benefit from the experience.
Here's a thought...it appears that the only two things we "the Town of Lindley residence" get for their tax money is, a town board & a road crew. Let's see what good things has the town board has done lately hmmm...and the road crew has done hmm....
I would like to see some creative thinking - no that doesn't mean higher taxes - no that isn't going to change our way of life. Which by the way I'm sick of hearing and is a cop out!
Here is a question for anyone...why is the road supervisor job not apppointed? Elroy used to meet each morning and tell the road crew what to do. It now seems like the road supervisor and crew run the town and make no effort to work with the board. Everyone is trying to "work with the road super", why isn't he cooperating with the board and why are we putting up with this?
Well, maybe with all the Grant money that is being suggested, the town wil be rolling in dough and can fix the roads tip/top shape.
Don't think it was really Elroy's job to dictate to town highway crew. Maybe that's where all the town board and highway crew discord started brewing. I believe some where there is a job description for each office. If not, there should be.Nothing wrong with electing the Highway Super. That way he /she can be voted out of office quicker.
Hmmmmmmm- sounds like anonymous and Missouri are a tag team of disgruntled liberals or board members!
Nope just an old disgruntled republican :)
Seems like there are more than just a couple of disgruntled republicans out here.
"Anonymous said... I would like to see some creative thinking - no that doesn't mean higher taxes - no that isn't going to change our way of life. Which by the way I'm sick of hearing and is a cop out!
Here is a question for anyone...why is the road supervisor job not apppointed? Elroy used to meet each morning and tell the road crew what to do."
First off-I'm glad to hear there are other folks out there that understand and want to see "creative thinking" being used. Creative thinking means we keep our minds open to ideas and methods that are less costly, more efficient and far more effective. A little creative thinking goes a long way!
Second-I think it is much more democratic that the townsfolk get to elect the folks they want in office. It allows us to make sure we have the right people filling the jobs. If someone isn't doing their job, the voters can vote them out.
Elections keep personal favoritism or personal dislikes out of the picture and allow the majority to choose based on the performance of the candidate.
and "Missouri-The Show Me State said...Don't think it was really Elroy's job to dictate to town highway crew. Maybe that's where all the town board and highway crew discord started brewing."
I have to agree with you on that one!
Anonymous-Heres a thought. I would like to suggest to you .Check the road supervisors report that is available for everyones viewing at the town hall or ask the road supervisor what the road crew has been doing.Just because you havent seen them on your road please dont assume they are doing nothing !
Marc: I'll pick up the "road supervisors report" and post it on the blog.
Wow- creative thinking in action! Now wasn't that easy- and it didn't cost a thing!
Great idea Marc!
What would we do without KB's input?
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